Business As Unusual
B a U

We speak to the people behind the movements, organisations and ideas that are shifting the way we think, interact and transact.

Season 2

The ReMaker

Craig Middleton

Join our chat with Craig Middleton, Curator at the National Museum of Australia, Fellow at the The Australian National University and Co Author of Queering the Museum, for a deep dive into remaking what a museum can and could be.

Craig takes us through his groundbreaking work in queering the museum where Queer is used as a verb to drive a more inclusive, reflective and immersive space that reflects the diversity of Australian identity and life. 

The Reformer 

Michael Perusco

Victoria has the highest rate of the removal of children from their birth family in Australia.

Michael Perusco, CEO of Berry Street, joins us for a conversation on why and how we need to shift our thinking away from a system grounded in the late and punitive to one informed by a safety first early intervention model to create a fairer system for families and children. A model that deals with causes, rather than outcomes.

Season 1

 The Start 

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Joe Rogers and Patrick Beggs, the hosts, talking about the podcast project, BaU, before it was what it is today.

The conversation is the first time the two put microphones in front of their faces, before any guests had been interviewed, offering an honest glimpse into the thinking behind the concept.

Hands on Learning

Conor Hickey

In this conversation we get to hear the story of Conor Hickey.

She is the CEO at Collingwood Children’s Farm, the oldest continued practicing farm in Victoria, Australia. Conor with a background in inclusive education through community connections has a passion for hands-on learning in nature and her story demonstrates the benefits of the approach and process for creating inclusive, vibrant, productive and diverse communities.

The Artist 

Alasdair MacKinnon

Alasdair is one of the driving forces behind The Boroughs, recognised for its role in telling the story of Brunswick East. It has played a central role in the creation of a community focused on art, design and sustainability. 

Their store is famous for its work with local makers and being the retail expression of neighbourhood and community.

The Futurist 

Bec Scott

Bec Scott, the futurist, shares her story.

Bec is not afraid to walk their own path. She lives most of her time imagining potential futures, learning from the history around her and applying that knowledge to bring her dreams into reality.

Bec Scott, co-founder of STREAT, is a passionate social entrepreneur working to address complex environmental and social issues. 

The healer, the listener

Judy Atkinson

Judy Atkinson shares her remarkable story of following her own path to learning, understanding and healing.

Judy Atkinson identifies as a Jiman / Bundjalung (Aboriginal Australian) woman who also has Anglo-Celtic, and German heritage. Judy is an Emeritus Professor.
She developed the We Al-li program which was used as a foundation stone for the Masters in Indigenous Studies (wellbeing); the undergraduate degree Trauma and Healing, and the Diploma of Community Recovery. 

The Innovator 

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George Hedon

George  Hedon is the founder and CEO of the world’s leading creativity infused business event, Pause Fest, an independent, industry-driven movement with a mission to bring diverse intelligence together to fuel the next generation. 

We wanted to hear about the opportunities they see and the hurdles they face when dealing with the changing social landscape of mass gatherings.’

Climate Health 

Fiona Armstrong

Fiona Armstrong is a social entrepreneur, public policy expert and researcher, author, and reform advocate whose qualifications and experience span a range of disciplines and sectors.
She is a global leader in the area of climate and health advocacy and has conceived and led a number of internationally significant projects in this area.

She is the Founder and Executive Director of the Climate and Health Alliance

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Simon Goodrich

Simon Goodrich is Co-Founder of Portable, a digital innovation company that helps forwarding thinking organisations to transform the way they work. 

Over the past five years, Simon and the team at Portable have been hacking the bureaucracy, trying to solve some of the technological discrimination in usability and accessibility in digital. 

The Painter of Perspective
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Glen McMinn

Glen McMinn offers his refreshing perspective on travelling openly through the arc of life. Glen has been many things, architect, designer, historian, hockey dad, entrepreneur and now a painter exploring a concept called 10 of 1. Through it all he has been Dyslexic, which he speaks openly about, and he calls aspects of he views as a superpower.

Join us as Glen takes us through his story of focus empowering people, communities and organisations to share their own tale. 

The Power of Voice 


Madeleine Habib

Madeleine Habib joins us from a wintry Tasmania to offer a timely reminder not to underestimate the power of your own voice in enacting the change you want to see in the world.

Madeleine is a Master Mariner who has lived a life of service to humanitarian and environmental causes from the shores of the Mediterranean to the coastline of Antartica. Working on the front lines with SOS Méditeranée, Sea Shepherd, Greenpeace, MSF and the World Food Program has given her a unique perspective into effecting real world change, one person and one action at a time. Be the change, Be the voice.

Notice Ability 


Dean Bragonier

Dean Bragonier, founder and the executive dyslexic at NoticeAbility, shares his story of changing the way society understands dyslexia through changing its approach to educating children with Dyslexia.

Dean joins us from Cambridge, Massachusetts to discuss the neuroscience of dyslexia, the educational approach required and the work left to be done. Dean inform us on the history of dyslexia, why standardised testing sucks and share the stories of some famous dyslexics throughout our history. 

The Conduit

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Sam Patterson

Sam Patterson joins us to discuss about building connections inside communities at risk through the power of story. 

Sam is the Director of Community Engagement at MacKillop Family Services and shares his approach to creating the connection between funding the cause and the direct delivery of the service. We talk all things home schooling, the challenges ahead for foster care and why horse trainers tell such great tales.

The Inclusionista 


Dr Sue Thomas FRSA

Dr Sue Thomas FRSA  joins us from a surprisingly sunny Scotland to discuss how the ethics of fashion are underpinned by the choices we make as customers in response to what we design into the ways of consumption.

Sue takes us behind the scenes of the content she developed as part of her pioneering MSc Ethics in Fashion for the School of Textiles and Design ethics. Today, Sue continues her work turning up the heat on how the conversation around inclusion, sustainability and industry ethics must change and how some businesses are leading the way.

The Anti Distruptor 


Dipayan Ghosh

This week we hear from Dipayan Ghosh, Harvard fellow, White House Alum and Author of Terms of Disservice: How Silicon Valley is Destructive by Design.

We talk about the effect that the monopoly held by big tech from facebook to Amazon has had on our lives and how we have unwittingly traded our privacy for utility. We explore how we are heading from a democratic era and rapidly into a Dystopian digital future free of meaningful discourse. Dipayan also shares his view on the odds of this changing and what we as individuals and communities need to know and do. You can find out more on Dipayan’s work here

The Curiosity Surfer

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Scott Cane


Scott Cane, one of the drivers of Australia’s first native title case, joins us from Port Lincoln for an uplifting chat about his approach to life and advice on how to grow through failure.

Scott is a self-professed surf bum whose curiosity and trust in following his nose for waves has led him through the wilds of Tasmania, to Australian National University to ensuring Aboriginal Australians are rightfully recognised as the true custodians of this land.

The Referee

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Gavin Morris

Join us for a discussion on truth telling with Dr Gavin Morris, an ex-NRL referee from Sydney who now acts as a leading social referee.
Gavin talks about his involvement in documenting a truth telling in the Nauiyu Community, and the ways in which it enables better community outcomes for its people. He also discusses how the unique approach, methodology and intention shaped his doctorate thesis, which investigates the trauma associated with the experience of colonisation in an Aboriginal community. Finally, Gavin discusses two decades of teaching experience in schools around Australia.
Gavin lives in Darwin and currently lecturers in undergraduate and postgraduate programs in the College of Education at Charles Darwin University. 

The Review

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The wrap

Join Joe Rogers and Patrick Beggs to review season one of #BaU. From the lows of figuring out portable pandemic studios to the highs of great guests covering topics such as indigenous rights, dyslexia, community reform, social media as societal kryptonite, and art. Listening to our guest’s process has been a big ride and an even bigger privilege. Pearls of wisdom have fallen out of each one of our guests.

 Our big learning? For real change to occur it takes small incremental steps with consistent sustained effort. Nothing happens overnight, not even a podcast.
A huge thanks to all who joined us

Hope you have been enjoying the ride as much as we have. Season two starts in a couple of weeks.

Joe Rogers

Joe is famous for crafting brands which deliver results for those who work for them, shop for them and support them. 

He is the CEO and Co-Founder of The Contenders, a brand and business design Consultancy based in Melbourne and Sydney. 



Patrick Beggs

Patrick’s on a mission to drive cultural change through narrative strategy.

He is the founder and MD of PUR Production, a podcast and video studio creating inclusive, diverse and vibrant media. A specialised studio renowned for finding and defining Story Community for its clients.

BaU is made from coffee, beer and surf, and the shared realisation that to be your true self is an act of service for your work, family, community and yourself.